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District Attorney: There are no legal medical marijuana dispensaries right now

September 10, 2009 - 12:15 pm

“There has been reporting that there are eight legitimate medical-marijuana dispensaries in San Diego County,” San Diego District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis said this morning at a press conference. “There is no such thing right now.”

Dumanis had taken the podium at a little after 10 a.m. to announce the results of a series of raids on medical-marijuana dispensaries throughout San Diego County conducted by city, state and federal law-enforcement officials. She said officers are still tallying the evidence collected from the search warrants they executed, but they had secured $70,000 in cash. One dispensary they raided had done $700,000 in business in six months, she said, indicating how robust their business had become.

In total, 14 dispensaries were raided and closed, and 31 people were arrested—23 in the city of San Diego and eight in cities in North County. Dumanis said no end-users were arrested as part of the operation.

She said the operation was undertaken in response to neighborhood complaints about the explosion of medical marijuana storefront operations.

“There’s a small [Pacific Beach] neighborhood where there are five storefronts within a few blocks,” she said. “It’s easier to find a marijuana dispensary than Starbucks.”

Dumanis took the legal position that the dispensaries were not acting within the guidelines (PDF) for collectives laid out in August 2008 by California Attorney General Jerry Brown. She said undercover officers, carrying recommendations from doctors, were able to walk in off the street and buy drugs immediately. This constitutes a violation of the law, Dumanis said.

“The marijuana is only for closed-circuit membership,” she said.

She also said the guidelines say that marijuana can be grown by patients or primary caregivers.

“Someone who assumes responsibility of housing and health care of patients,” Dumanis said. “It’s highly unlikely this applies to store fronts.”

San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne said that there are somewhere between 40 and 50 dispensaries operating within San Diego city limits right now. He said the 10 dispensaries in the city were targeted because they had become magnets for complaints by neighbors. Follow-up investigations by officers also showed they were doing far more business than made sense for a medical-marijuana collective.

Lansdowne explained how police knew these were for-profit businesses, rather than nonprofit collectives.

“If you buy drugs from a drug dealer and raise the price and profit, that’s a crime,” he said. “These were retail operators that gave discounts, and T-shirts and hats.”

He also said that at least some of the operators had prior criminal convictions for drug dealing or possession.

The U.S. Attorney for Southern California, Karen Downy, said she would prosecute two of the arrestees on federal narcotics charges of possession and distribution. She said these cases weren’t particularly different from the other arrests, but that it was routine for some of the arrests in this situation to be prosecuted by her office. She also said participation by Drug Enforcement Administration agents did not contradict U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s pledge not to raid dispensaries.

“Our involvement was totally consistent with enforcing federal narcotics laws,” she said.

Dumanis followed up immediately: “I don’t think he said they could illegally sell narcotics.”

Dumanis said limited manpower was the only reason they did not conduct more raids and make more arrests. But she left the door open for additional searches on dispensaries by noting that the investigation is ongoing.

Photos taken by law enforcement at the raids provided by the San Diego County District Attorney.

66 Comments leave one →
  1. Anonymous permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

    bull$hit

  2. mofle permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

    bull$hit!!!!

  3. Anonymous permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

    TOTAL bull$hit.

    How much of that money was NET? How much money does CVS pHARMacy pull in six months.

    • Oliver permalink
      September 10, 2009 - 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

      Six months (CVS). How about 6 hours! Total BS and utterly ridiculous!

  4. Anonymous permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

    Wow… instead of try to regulate it. They simply choose to oppose it.

  5. Anonymous permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

    If the gross sales for a dispensary over six months was $700K, and you deduct expenses such as salaries, rent, purchases from venders, accountant and attorney fees, insurance, and so on, then you mostly likely find that the so-called profit was nil.

    Interesting how the DA cites such numbers and implies it is all profit. Anyone in business knows that there is an obvious difference between gross receipts and net gain.

    • Carlos permalink
      September 10, 2009 - 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

      Hey…they looked and saw $700 worth of taxable income on the books, and they are bitching. what the fuck do they think pays their sad asses to stand around and invade the books anyhow!!! FUCK EM ALL!!!

    • Inflorescence permalink
      September 11, 2009 - 3:01 am 3:01 am

      Not THAT much of a difference you accounting genius.

  6. September 10, 2009 - 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

    bull$hit!

    Dumanis is a Dumbass.

    Her personal war on medical marijuana is an eloquent testimonial to her callow ambition — an ambition so venal that she’s willing to victimize the sick and dying to further her perverted political ends.

    • Cruz permalink
      September 10, 2009 - 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

      BULLSHIT. I hope the owners sue the city, they all go to trial and it costs SD millions to prosecute. The MExican Cartel can continue to supply drugs that actually hurt people and all will be right in precious San Diego. She’s a fucking fool.

  7. dollparts permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

    Can’t be said more eloquently than alapoet did.
    Dumanis is a cross eyed Idgit and her downfall will hopefully be swift.
    Until then, San Diego will remain the myopic, non-progressive, retard city it is. Dumbasses!

  8. Oliver permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

    I have chronic pain due to adult polio caused from polio I had as a child. Pain pills make me sick and I am sensitive to a lot of meds. Pot is the only thing that makes me life whole. This is such a disgrace to people like myself that have real medical issues. It’s nothing short of total BS and hard to comprehend. California could bail itself out of debt by legalizing dope and taxing it, what a bunch of morons we have running the state.

  9. jason permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

    I wonder if the state will now refund all sales tax revenue it collected from the sales made by these illegal dispensaries. I wonder…

    • Inflorescence permalink
      September 11, 2009 - 3:04 am 3:04 am

      Did the IRS refund Al Capone when convicted?

      They can have their cake and eat it too.

      Afterall, they set up the rules that way. Must be nice huh?

      • Anon permalink
        September 11, 2009 - 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

        There was nothing to refund you silly fool. Al Capone was busted for tax evasion.

  10. jason permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

    I wonder how the DA is going to prove the dispensaries violated the following:

    “A person may serve as primary caregiver to “more than one” patient, provided that the patients and caregiver all reside in the same city or county. (§ 11362.7(d)(2).) Primary caregivers also may receive certain compensation for their services. (§ 11362.765(c) [“A primary caregiver who receives compensation for actual expenses, including reasonable compensation incurred for services provided . . . to enable [a patient] to use marijuana under this article, or for payment for out-of-pocket expenses incurred in providing those services, or both, . . . shall not, on the sole basis of that fact, be subject to prosecution” for possessing or transporting marijuana].)”

    • Carlos permalink
      September 10, 2009 - 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

      she is above that and made a new section that reads: if your opinion differs from mine and you are a medical marijuana patient or provider then all the previous apply to you, even though you spoke and voted to be exempt as a valid patient. We oppose you and choose to send you to the concentration camp for all looser stoners. Now bow to the almighty Bonnie and suck her slimy toes!!!

      did u not get the memo?

  11. wtfchuck permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

    THIS SHIT IS RIDICULOUS!

  12. mofle permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

    i guess if you really look at it. maybe, and thats a big MAYBE some of the charges might stick on maybe 2 or 3 of the 31 people arrested. but the fact that they raided these places, arrested people who are ill, and trashed the dispensary causing thousands of dollars in damage just shows who the real “thugs” are.

    in another article i read, it said how they also confiscated 6 guns, making it seem as if these people were dangerous to society, or make is seem as if they are comparable to the cartel in tj, since when does having a gun against the law? i thought thats what the second amendment was for? the right to bear arms? cashiers at 7/11 have guns, are they criminals?

  13. Patsy permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

    I see the S.D.P.D. is still robbing people in the name of the law.

    This city is so disgusting in its corruption.

  14. nun ya permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

    this is some fuckin bullshit. they need to smoke some of it. bet they wont close shit down then. fuck the police.

  15. Carlos permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

    check it out…there are no chemicals, no explosive laboratory, no hazardous waste, no negative anything. How many missing persons are abducted every day, but the police are looking for me smoking a hooter? what the hell has our government come to. I really want these guys making policy for my grand children’s future! Damn. We pay her to do this crap? Isn’t there some type of budget crisis and we still pay this bitch to do this crap??? Christ almighty!!! What have we become.

    • Inflorescence permalink
      September 11, 2009 - 3:12 am 3:12 am

      “and we still pay this bitch to do this crap??”

      Well yeah. Look around there are lots of soccer Moms that vote specifically for people like Bonnie so that their sons and daughters don’t come home “stoned” one day after being exposed to these evil “druggies” thus preventing their sons or daughter to fast tracking their way to yuppiness, which is apparantly the goal of the majority of shallow San Diegans.

  16. Carlos permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

    I say we recall the bitch right the hell out of office. pretty sure norml is on board. you guys game?

    • byno permalink
      September 11, 2009 - 9:34 am 9:34 am

      Sure sounds like a good idea! Isnt she up for election soon?

      • constatly agitated permalink
        September 11, 2009 - 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

        up for election in 2010 — GET RID OF HER!!!

  17. Anonymous permalink
    September 10, 2009 - 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

    Stop preventing the patents of California from getting their medicine. Fine the stores if you must, but stop interfering in California’s medical supply.

    Let’s not forget – Prohibition is not constitutional!

  18. Norman Lepoff, M.D. ret. permalink
    September 11, 2009 - 8:20 am 8:20 am

    What a waste of money and resources. Dumanis and her cops are a bunch of ignorant cowardly thugs.

  19. anonymous coward permalink
    September 11, 2009 - 8:45 am 8:45 am

    Wow, you’d think someone who is repressed due to her religion and sexual preference would have some understanding about these sorts of things.

    Guess not.

  20. ALL AMERICAN SLAVE permalink
    September 11, 2009 - 8:56 am 8:56 am

    THESE ARE NAZIES,BULLIES,THEY ARE THE SAME TYPES THAT OUR FORFATHERS TRIED TO ESCAPE FROM! AND IT HAS BEEN 200 SOME YEARS AND NO CIVIL PROGRESS! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SIC SOCIETY? SOON ALL THESE IDIOTS CAN GO DO THEIR JOB FOR A CHANGE AND LOOK FOR MURDERES WHEN WE HAVE TO LEGALIZE DRUGS AS MEXICO.THESE FEDS ARE JUST CRIMINALS WHO DONT DESERVE TO BE ON THIS CONTINANT!

  21. CrewLJ permalink
    September 11, 2009 - 9:56 am 9:56 am

    Look at the bright side. Dumanis just lopped off a good source of city beat’s advertising revenue. Less need to worry about those damn profits!

    • constatly agitated permalink
      September 11, 2009 - 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

      AND less tax to pay she says brightly = \

  22. constatly agitated permalink
    September 11, 2009 - 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

    I don’t get how they raided 14 in San Diego – said there were something like 30 dispensaries in town, then say as of today there aren’t eight ‘legitimate’ dispensaries running today (Friday) there “is no such thing right now” what does that mean?? have they ALL been shut down without being raided? was there some sort of blanket dealie where they all had to close even if they weren’t targeted/raided/infiltrated?

    MAN I hate that Police can continue to ‘sting’ by getting a patient card and wandering around buying Med. MJ and then pointing a finger and crying foul. Don’t they have ANYTHING BETTER TO DO????? ISn’t that FRAUD??? What kind of person digs that kind of ‘job’?

    to protect and SERVE us?? and hahahahahahaha that lots of that weed doesn’t end up in THEIR back pockets…… like it has for decades. I just talked to a friend who was reminiscing the days when she and her husband were friends of a cop who would shake someone down on the way to their house to take their weed and then sit around with friends and smoke it.

    I wish someone would PAY ME to protect and serve – it’s much cheaper than paying to be a patient…. what a cush job – and SO difficult — like these guys were really hiding away – they opened a store front. Wow hard police work. While XXXXX heroin, crystal meth etc really harmful stuff is flowing out there, they concentrate on STORE FRONTS. I wish I could even get a dry laugh out of it.

    Guess we’ll be seeing higher sales taxes, property taxes, etc to fund the City since they just wiped out a huge source of revenue PLUS spent thousands if not millions of $$ of OUR TAX MONEY to pay for this sham.

    we need to organize and elect officials that are prepared to let the voice of the citizens of California REIGN instead of police terror/power.

    and hahaha again if we think Obama will EVER (ever) rein in his DEA dogs – they will come if they are called. And why won’t that continue to happen?

  23. Senator Tankerbell permalink
    September 11, 2009 - 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

    The culture war continues. It appears that if pot were ever completely legalized in the US, people like this would still find a way to bust shops for selling weed. The entire argument that they were making a profit….please….you think there’s any drug company in this country that doesn’t make a little money off what it sells? Wake up people. That is such a smoke-screen for the larger issue here which is conservative white parents are not cool with people who smoke weed. That is all this comes down to. Hell, these people would sooner let people slide for doing coke than smoking a joint. Look at how half the country over-looked George W’s narcotics abuse. These people have to get a clue. The world ain’t gonna end if marijuana’s legalized. Jesus ain’t gonna come down from Heaven to slap around the local dispensary operator. God isn’t gonna shit his pants and initiate the rapture if your neighbor does a bong hit. Damn crazies, fight a worthy fight and let the people who choose to smoke weed smoke some weed!

    • Barbara permalink
      September 20, 2009 - 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

      I have suffered for years from chronic pain due to a bulging disk in my back, I also suffer from IBS, which causes unbearable pain. I cannot eat without smoking, since they shut down the dispensery I have not been able to eat, and my pain level is off the charts. I have been forced to take pain medication that causes liver damage. My question to the world is Morphine or Marijuana? I have watched lives destroyed by pain medication, and several friends of mine have overdosed and died.
      George Senior was involved in the traffic of cocaine during his stint as the head of the CIA. Was this man arrested? Nope he was elected! Then his son a know alcoholic and cocaine abuser destroys our country with his idiotic band of hangmen! I am going to give up on this country I love so much and move to Amsterdam. I am sick of taking xanax to relieve anxiety, prozac to fend of depression, codeine for pain, and flexeril for muscle spasm. The earth gave us Marijuana and if the earth was created by God then we should not look a gift horse in the mouth.

  24. September 11, 2009 - 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

    “and I give you every green plant and HERB yielding seed”Gen.1:29. Dumanis,do you wipe your butt with the bible at home and church as well as at work?Christ means anointed.It is a proven linguistic fact the holy anointing oil contained 7 lbs.of extracted canibis. Heb. unv. 1980 {kenah bosm.} If you are anti marijuana you are antichrist!!

  25. Tony permalink
    September 11, 2009 - 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

    I’m sick and tired of smug, self-righteous potheads acting like their substance is something heavenly and different in any meaningful way from any other dope. Dumanis did the right thing. I can’t legally butcher meat in my back yard and sell the stuff to my neighbors. I can’t grow, roll and sell my own tobacco. I can’t open a storefront and sell penicillin, for crying out loud.

    Any legitimate business engaged in the sale of agricultural products would sell products subject to quality testing by the USDA. Any legitimate business engaged in the sale of pharmaceuticals would be thoroughly scrutinized by the FDA. Any legitimate business engaged int he sale of intoxicants would be under the watchful eye of ABC, DEA or some equivalent branch fo government.

    I defy the owners of those dispensaries to produce a provenance for their merchandise that shows its point of origin. I defy them to show shipping manifests, dates of receipt and/or expiration or any other quality control. I defy them to show their books or submit any evidence of testing for impurities. I defy them to show that they’ve paid full taxes for every penny that has crossed their counters. Do their products have federal or state stamps on them? Are the farmers that provide them subject to employer law?

    There already is fully legal THC. It’s called Marinol. Legitimate doctors prescribe it and legitimate patients buy it at legitimate pharmacies. F*ck potheads. We don’t need to act like they’re more special than crackheads and they don’t get to do something nobody else does.

    • Inflorescence permalink
      September 11, 2009 - 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

      Yes Tony, crack is EXACTLY the same as pot. There is No difference.

      Ok, next arguement: The FDA. ‘Um Vioxx anyone. If you think the FDA is competent you need to google “legal pharmecutical annual deaths”.

      Yes, Tony pot IS different. All drugs are not the same, to think that pot=crack=heroin=vioxx is just plain ignorant and discriminatory.

      Pot is safe, non-toxic, effective, and it makes you question authority (this is a GOOD thing Tony ;) ).

      Pot relieves stress and makes you feel good., you know, all those things that Puritans hate.

    • constatly agitated permalink
      September 11, 2009 - 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

      my my my Tony. First of all – the city and media are calling the co-ops ‘dispensaries’ not the owners.

      And then…. you defy them? haha. Who are you? You don’t think there’s enough laws, bills, legislation, etc etc to follow every one of us to our grave? haha as if you went out for a DRIVE any day and did not break some law. Not come to a complete stop? Gotcha. A light burnt out? Whoops GOTCHA. Point is – they don’t have to defy you or anyone to show half the crap you are asking for. So why should they? Any legitimate business blah blah blah subject to quality testing… oh really? Then go whine to the State about that…. we don’t make the laws, we just follow them and there’s NO GUIDELINES THERE so none to be broken. waaaah.

      The reason they don’t have as much on their books is for fear for the exact kind of discrimination they are encountering right now. Shoot – no matter IT’S A LAW — I wouldn’t want MY NAME to be on any of those lists in police hands right now. Other patients get doctor/patient confidentiality coverage…… but not in this case.

      Where do co-ops get federal and/or state stamps anyhow? That’s a hard one to defy buddy when it’s not sanctioned by any law in the state.

      Farmers that provide them are not employers so are not subject to employer laws as such; they are part of a co-op. And sorry but hahaha again…. they sell cigarettes don’t they? impurities. Haha. Although cannabis has been smoked widely in Western countries for more than four decades, there have been NO reported cases of lung cancer or emphysema attributed to marijuana. But cigarettes are OK. Know anyone that smokes them Colonel Tony? Well they are impure and proven as such and legal.. the difference is… um. Ciggie growers petition and PAY to keep them legal despite the absolute certainty they KILL PEOPLE and I guess the MJ growers haven’t booted up the same kind of money to pass bills…. THESE laws in the State of California didn’t come about from BIG MONEY but from PEOPLE’s WISH. So when you’re shouting at them to defy you this, that and what other thing, ask the majority of the State of California why they thought smoking marijuana was a good enough idea to get it through the first hoop. Go spank them all, not just the potheads… because as you’ve heard… it takes a majority to rule a vote. Thas a lot of people of the same mind…..

      Legal THC, Marinol, is SYNTHETIC. Marijuana is natural. Show me something that is a man made synthetic which is supposed to take the place of a natural substance and I’ll show you well… something unnatural. In this case, Dronabinol (Marinol) is available by prescription in capsules, but has the distinct disadvantage of containing only synthetic delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which is only one of many therapeutically beneficial cannabinoids in the natural plant.

      And for people without a health plan -hahahaha (that’s a lot out there) it is a much larger cost for Marinol ($25-$36/day depending on your health status) versus Marijuana ($12-$15/day depending on your health status).

      Why can’t people have the same choice as drinking themselves into a stupor every evening? It’s our little life – how does it affect you Superintendent Tony? If you’re comfortable with 1,001 laws and regulations backing your every move into a corner in the name of ‘safety’ or whatever, then go stand in that line. And BTW do you really think that all this safety and regulation and etc etc quantity testing has to do with concern over CONSUMER lives?? haha. Man read some. It has more to do with employing government agencies to take care of the 1,001 laws and all the money they make by FINING people.

      Jees – drink a few beers and chill. And when you open your penicillin store? mail me, I’ll come by.

    • Anonymous permalink
      September 11, 2009 - 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

      Go Fuck yourself you worthless cunt!

      • Tony permalink
        September 17, 2009 - 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

        The point is, people, even if it’s a harmless agricultural product – I can’t sell oranges without USDA oversight. So-called ‘dispensaries’ aren’t subject to scrutiny by any regulatory agency, their inventory isn’t tested, they maintain no shipping manifests and bottom-line, just because it’s fucking pot and somebody once heard that’s good for AIDS sufferers and African babies with flies in their eyes, their supposed to be the one and only industry in the entire USA that operates utterly outside liability and public safety laws.

        I don’t give a good god damn who smokes pot. I think it should be legitimized. But that means fucking regulated, just like avocados, tobacco, and Viagra.

        Grow up, stoner fucks.

  26. Charles L permalink
    September 11, 2009 - 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

    Let’s VOTE to legalize. Politicians (especially Dumanis) care first and foremost about their own self-serving political interests. So long as they feel that most voters oppose medical marijuana being made widely available they will continue to do their best to shut down all patient access. Only by legalizing marijuana use for adults will they be forced to change their view. The best poll numbers are the ones that come from voting. We can VOTE these problems with insane politicians (e.g., Dumanis) away.

  27. September 11, 2009 - 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

    At least one commentator (Tony) makes sense. This entire medical marijuana issue is a cover for legalization. Just be honest. What percent of customers have real medical problems? I would be shocked if it is 10%

    How come half of these shops are in PB? Is that the city center for chronic pain suffers and those with cataracts? Or is it near every SDSU dropout PB dirtbag that wants to spend his days drinking Bud tallboys out of a paperbag playing Madden on his Playstation and smoking weed.

    I understand CityBeats interest in this issue. If half my advertisers were under attack I would defend them with my full voice much like Dave and his minions are currently doing.

    Rupert Murdoch would be proud!

    • Inflorescence permalink
      September 12, 2009 - 12:10 am 12:10 am

      prop 215 says “….or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief. ”
      If you don’t believe me look up the text to prop 215.

      So obviously all patients have a legitimate reason for using MJ if it provides relief.

      If you are unhappy with the way the law is worded then you either:
      1. Should have voted against it (maybe you did but you lost).
      2. Stop bitching about it.

    • constatly agitated permalink
      September 12, 2009 - 12:22 am 12:22 am

      “How come half of these shops are in PB? Is that the city center for chronic pain suffers and those with cataracts? Or is it near every SDSU dropout PB dirtbag that wants to spend his days drinking Bud tallboys out of a paperbag playing Madden on his Playstation and smoking weed.”

      weeds great for depression = )

      BIG money brings alcohol back into legality when it’s known to be addictive, cause car wrecks, all kind of havoc etc etc etc — money pushes cigarettes to stay legal even though they kill — what is the worst that marijuana does? what is the big fear? So some people want to hang out and doodle on brown paper bags their entire life – it’s their little life and doesn’t infringe on your right to do what you want.

      This is choosing the poster boy of big bad marijuana.. why not focus on the MILLIONS of adult americans that smoke responsibly, run businesses, have professions, raise families and also don’t affect your right to drink, smoke, drive, live…. the way you want.

      People going into a co-op would have been surprised indeed to see how many ‘suits’ were standing in line. And why in PB? Well I can’t see the tolerance in La Jolla, plus the rent sux = )

  28. tim T, Ph.D. permalink
    September 12, 2009 - 7:44 am 7:44 am

    Planned Parenthood is a MULTI-MILLION dollar NON-PROFIT organization. Do they get raided? NOOOOOOO.
    Just because it is a non-profit org, does NOT mean that they will not have to use money for purchases, salaries, expenses, etc. FUCK The DEA, FUCK D.A. Dumanis, and FUCK all those who oppose and resist the legal rights of sick and suffering patients and their need for access to a proven medicine that was reccommended by licensed physicians.
    SHAME ON YOU, DUMANIS, DEA, and SDPD!

  29. tim T, Ph.D. permalink
    September 12, 2009 - 8:12 am 8:12 am

    Tony,
    You, sir, are about as dumb as they come. The FDA will NOT accpet MJ as a pharmaceutical because it cannot do so legally, dumbass. Nor can the USDA. If you do not like that, go bitch to the feds, not us. Also, quit trying to use fancy words to make us think you are more intelligent than you are. Because we know you are dumb. The stupidity shines right through. When you say “I defy those dispensaries to show a provenance for their merchandise that shows its point of origin”, that is TOTALLY incorrect grammar, dumbfuck. The definition of provenance = the place of origin.
    So, you are saying “I defy those dispensaries to show the PLACE OF ORIGIN for their merchandise that shows its PLACE OF ORIGIN”. What a stupid-ass tool you are! haha.
    You don’t fool anyone, jackass! Their products are NOT REQUIRED to even have any federal or state stamps on them, moron!
    Regarding your statement about there already being fully legal THC in the form of marinol… Marinol has been shown in numerous clinical trials to be less effective than marijuana time and time again. Marinol tends to have MORE side effects. People can titrate marijuana to the exact right dose to relieve their symptoms, but they cannot do that with Marinol because you take the pill and have to endure the whole dose once swallowed. Marinol has MORE side effects than marijuana. Also, Marinol takes up to 2 hours to even have effect, whereas MJ works IMMEDIATELY. Many who try to take marinol cannot even swallow it due to nausea and vommitting, whereas MJ can be smoked. MJ can even be inhaled through a vaporizer, thereby elimitating completely any potential harmful effects caused by the burning of the MJ.
    I have been prescribed Marinol. I also have Dr. reccommended cannabis, both for a medical condition. The MJ is far superior than the Marinol. Also, the Marinol costs a whopping 20$ per pill, or $1,200 for 60 pills (one-months supply), whereas MJ costs only 200$ for a one-month supply. That is because I do not have insurance because it is too expensive for a pre-existing condition. HOW CAN the general public possibly afford $1,200 per month? Would you rather me get tax-payer funded medical and have YOU pay for my Marinol instead? Or should I stay with the cheap, effective, and LEGAL UNDER Ca. LAW, Cannabis, provided by mother nature. If you still want to pay for my Marinol, give me your info. and I’ll send you the bill. LOFL!

  30. adela permalink
    September 12, 2009 - 9:13 am 9:13 am

    LET US GET OUR BUSINESS CERTIFICATE AND WE WILL OPERATE LEGALLY!!!! ZONING ISPREVENTING USFROM GETTING ISSUED ONE……WHY???????
    ASK BONNIE THAT…….
    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE ACT LIKE IT.
    CALL BONNIE!!!!
    ~adela
    Wisdom Organics

  31. IGNORANCE permalink
    September 12, 2009 - 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

    wow Tony…you’re so ignorant :]

    Did you ever stop to think what marijuana can actually do for people in need of it? Its not just pot heads smoking this stuff sweetie. You should watch more documentaries and LEARN about it and write down some facts while you’re at it so you can educate yourself. What else do you know besides the political side of all this? Not a damn thing I bet. To think that crack heads and “potheads” should fall into the same category is like putting petty thiefs in state with convicted murderers. IDIOT. DO SOME RESEARCH.

  32. IGNORANCE permalink
    September 12, 2009 - 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

    P.S. When you have an illness and are up to your ears in pills….let us all know ;]

  33. AMoore permalink
    September 13, 2009 - 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

    I wonder if any of her(“friends”) suffer from chronic pain,lack of appetite?????

  34. September 14, 2009 - 8:31 am 8:31 am

    cograts Bonnie! You might be an even stupider woman than Sarah Palin…. Its a close call..

    Unbelievable how this can happen to some of the most peaceful establishments around the city. Neighbor complaints?? BS! Only thing neighbors were complaining about is not being able to use the meds!

    Local law enforcement and DEA both should be stripped of their shields. GO BUST A FREAKING METH LAB YOU PANZIES! I swear all of those 6-week trained, night-club yielding pigs get a freaking hard on when they bust in on collectives all ‘gung-ho’

    get a real job you clowns

  35. Eric permalink
    September 14, 2009 - 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

    These latest raids are deplorable.

    But am I the only one who thinks the dispensaries are partially to blame for (1) charging street prices and (2) conducting themselves in a manner so conspicuous that it invites these sorts of police actions?

    The last thing I want to do is “blame the victim” – but every single dispensary I’ve visited charges outrageous prices for MM, brownies, candies, etc. Opponents of MM point to this as evidence that the dispensaries are not “compassionate” but merely looking to make a buck.

    $25-60/gram for hash, $25-50/gram for weed, $20 for a brownie. The last dispensary I went to has a “special” of $50 for three grams of shake. Good lord! I don’t care if they are registered as non-profits, SOMEONE is making some serious cash with these prices.

    I think we would all agree that making a profit is perfectly acceptable, but gouging patients is not.

    And how about a little professionalism at the counter? How about weighing out the product in full view of the customer? How about having something resembling a professional appearance and attitude?

    The first dispensary I visited about four years ago (off Adams Avenue) was very professional. While their prices were still high, they weren’t particularly outrageous. The staff were kind, patient and conducted their business in a way that guaranteed safe access and confidence on the part of customers.

    While some of the staff at the various dispensaries are courteous and thoughtful, just as many come off as your typical, backwards baseball hat wearing fratboys who couldn’t give a crap about you.

    And how about taking a slightly less idiotic approach to advertising? Open up CityBeat or the Reader and there’s a wealth of ads with language befitting a tenth grader, not a legitimate outlet for MM. When you run a full color ad with pictures that look like a High Times centerfold, you’re just asking for trouble. Maybe that’s not the way it should be and hopefully someday all that will change. But for the time being,
    lower prices and a lower profile would benefit everyone involved.

    And lastly, can we stop trying to legitimize our use by quoting the bible or arguing that pot is “an herb, not a drug”? Pot is pot. It alleviates some of our medical issues and its benefits have been scientifically validated. Even if there were no medical benefits to its use, it is still a sufficiently innocuous drug that there is no logical reason for its prohibition.

    Defending medical marijuana by quoting scripture or Bob Marley just makes us all look like idiots.

    If we want to put a stop to the raids, we need to argue our case with reason, not emotion. Further, we need to conduct our business in a manner that doesn’t invite unwanted and unwarranted attention.

  36. mia permalink
    September 14, 2009 - 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

    what a stupid fucking CUNT

  37. anonymous permalink
    September 16, 2009 - 9:41 am 9:41 am

    What needs to be done is a major push to get the signatures needed to qualify the LEGALIZE MARIJUANA BALLOT in 2010. This will put an end to this POLICE HARRASSMENT on this issue……but I am sure they will continue to be the pit bulls they act like when given permission to attack!

    • constatly agitated permalink
      September 16, 2009 - 10:05 am 10:05 am

      Is there such a bill in place (legalize MJ ballot in 2010)?

      Yeah now you are heading in the right direction. The patient defense is only the tip of the iceberg. The point is to just get it legalized and standardized and GIVE THEM THEIR TAXES and everyone will be happy. No more “thugs” or whomever else they epitomize the co-op owners — you can just hit a vending machine in a 7-11 =) Oh that made me feel better, just the image.

      The reason patients prefer this over other PILLS and MEDICINES from pharma is the same reason PEOPLE prefer it over liquor or other downers.

      But the reason *they* (law enforcement/government) don’t want it around is because uh-oh – you might have some thinking going on that isn’t in the general direction of LEMMINGS — and it’s harder to control people that sit around, smoke, talk, live, love, get connected….. much easier to deal with people working their ass off… struggling… fearing… watching too much TV and generally being isolated from others.

      The entire issue just needs to continue to be pushed with whatever stance is working at the moment… until it’s no longer an issue.

      And then we can have hemp products, sustainable, durable etc etc as well. WIN WIN

  38. Jorge permalink
    September 16, 2009 - 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

    This is such a waste of my tax payer money. I’m already getting taxed to death living in San Diego. I say, legalize it and cut my taxes! Apparently, we can add $1.3 billion a year in govt revenue if it were legalized and regulated: http://www.campaignsthatmatter.com/articles/5-legalizing-marijuana-in-california

  39. Anonymous permalink
    September 16, 2009 - 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

    let me understand this. Someone who has a medical recomendation to buy marijuana at a dispensary cant buy it from the dispensary he chooses to go to?

    • Inflorescence permalink
      September 18, 2009 - 2:14 am 2:14 am

      It’s far worse then I’m sure you imagine.

      A patient can merely “price shop” by just going to every single club and comparing prices and wares. All they have to dio is sign their signature at each shop they go to. There is no law saying that the patient may only belong to ONE club. In LA a patient could belong to as many as 700 different clubs if they had the time to drive around all day.

      There are even web sites which allow you to map out dispensaries and compare prices.

  40. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2009 - 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

    You’re all thinking incorrectly. You want pot to be treated like it’s special. What the current law provides for is, essentially, merciful non-enforcement of existing law in certain cases. That’s way, way short of legitimacy and it’s why ‘dispensaries’ operate without the same governing regulations and protections as do pharmacies, grocery stores and other legitimate businesses engaged in the sale of consumables.

    The current law being a half-measure, and the current dispensaries being non-compliant even with that, leaves law enforcement little choice int he matter. They pretty much had to close the places down.

    To organize as a nonprofit corporation requires nothing more than some paperwork, maybe $2,500, tops, and several weeks of waiting around for a letter. It’s not hard. If a given co-op did so, it would be far closer to compliant than any dispensary thus far.

    But well beyond that, pot advocates need to think beyond just decriminalizing their drug. They need to be trying to fully legitimize it. That would mean growing it in the open, with oversight by relevant agencies, subjecting it to quality and potency testing and labeling, complying with handling regulations, etc., and selling it in licensed and certified outlets with appropriate liability insurance, among other things.

    If all that applies to oranges, avocados, aspirin, cloves and Zinfandel, then why should pot be exempt. So long as it’s not brought fully into the regulatory arena, it will always have an aspect of illegitimacy and I know stoners are lax on details, but damn it, they matter.

    • Inflorescence permalink
      September 18, 2009 - 2:21 am 2:21 am

      “You’re all thinking incorrectly. You want pot to be treated like it’s special.”

      No we don’t. We actually want pot to be treated exactly as you say but every time we ask the city or the county to tell us the regulations they baulk (eg Moratorium extensions) because they know the moment they tell us the regs everyone and their brother will open up a legal shop and that’s what they are afraid of. What they don’t realize is it’s inevitable, just like the 700 (and counting) dispensaries in LA.

  41. Donna Lambert permalink
    September 18, 2009 - 11:47 am 11:47 am

    I would like to address some propaganda and misstatements that are regularly put out in order to legitimize the illegal harassment of medical marijuana patients and the medical marijuana community at large.

    1) Most of the people who speak out against medical marijuana are receiving grants from either the County of San Diego or from pharmaceutical funded “anti-drug” groups whose sole purpose is to prevent access to medical marijuana as prescribed by law.

    2)Marijuana has many well known medical effects, of which there are dozens of studies on the internet, most often done in Europe where the pharmaceutical companies do not control the government, as they clearly do in America.

    3)It is easy for a local government official to make a statement that is a total lie, such as “they were making a profit” or “they were selling outside their collective”. The general public then accepts it. From my personal experience, I can tell you these are boldface lies, and people should question everything they read or hear. The reality is that the government obtains valid medical recommendations and then joins the collectives. Also, all “non-profits” are allowed to make money to pay for overhead, expenses, salaries and the like. If someone was not open long enough to pay their taxes to the state (which does issue medical marijuana sellers tax permits), how can the county come in and slander people this way?

    4)A majority of voters passed prop 215, 13 years ago, legalizing marijuana for medicinal use. In 1994, the legislature, with sb420 provided exemption for sales and all sales related charges. The senate bill archives state that the intention of sb420 is to facilitate the safe and affordable distribution of marijuana for medical use. This law states that we are allowed to “collectively associate” for this purpose.

    5)The previous administration wanted to use San Diego as a staging ground to try and overturn state law. Political promises were made.

    6)San Diego has wasted millions of your taxpayer money in an effort to turn over medical marijuana laws, simply because this is a plant with real value, and would cut into pharmaceutical company profits

    7)I am almost 50 years old. I have no criminal record. I was tricked into helping another legally valid medical marijuana patient who happened to be an undercover cop, who at the direction of the district attorneys office in San Diego, went and lied to a doctor about his symptoms to obtain a valid recommendation, then spent months, and (from my estimate) over 2 million dollars of YOUR HARD EARNED TAX MONEY, entrapped as many people as they could in the medical marijuana community. This was last February, prior to these store raids, and I am still stumbling through their court system. They then committed a swat style raid (75k for just my house)stormed my home, pointed assault rifles at me, destroyed my home, took me to jail, are dragging me through the court system (even though the courts are supposedly broke and have to close one day a week. (I have no criminal record and I am facing day to day life threatening illness. At this time, part of my liver is “nodulated”, the other part enlarged. I need to call the doctor to schedule what will almost for sure be my 3rd skin cancer surgery.) If they want to send me off to prison, to prove a point, will the taxpayers pick up the tab for my liver transplant? This is like the twighlight zone. I have spent my life following the law. I still followed the law. And now I am caught in the middle of a POLITICAL firestorm, the depths to which I could not even comprehend before my arrest. My trial is set for December 7, 2009 (At taxpayer expense)If they put me in jail, will they guarantee me the proper medical care? My immune system is virtually non-existent from the chemotherapy and the sjoegrens disease. And by the way, I do not believe I did anything wrong. I helped another patient. Considering what I know about the very real effects of marijuana as medicine, it would be morally wrong not to help somebody who presented himself as a patient in need.

    Profit?? Interesting. The judge at my preliminary hearing stated that I was clearly not in it for profit. So please call the DA and ask why is Donna Lambert being put on trial for 7 felonies if the judge ruled she was not in it for profit and they want to claim profit is the issue with these stores, the cannot have it both ways. If you would like to begin to read about my story google “Donna Lambert San Diego”, look up “Drug sting no military ties”. You will begin to see the pattern of lies. If you would like to see the chaos of miscommunication of politicians in this city, look at the you tube channel sandiego420watch.

    Just want to get high? – hmm – Guess the Hep C, Cirrhosis, Cancer, chemotherapy, sjoegrens disease and the injuries from the car accident I was in did not stop the DA from trying to get the judge to throw out my medical marijuana status so that they could try me as a common drug dealer. (This is standard in all medical marijuana cases.) Fortunately, they did not succeed.

    One of the collectives mentioned in the NC times article, was I think one of the best collectives I have ever seen. This man, James, who is now sitting in a federal jail, at taxpayer expense, held a bi-weekly farmers market FOR MEMBERS ONLY,in which members could get together and socialize. This man James tried to donate the $5.00 entry fee (such profit) gathered from the members that attended that day to my defense fund. James is a kind and generous man. His life and his families lives will now be torn apart because of our local governments refusal to respect the will of the California voters. It is not his fault if the government agents lied to doctors (medical fraud) and presented themselves as legitimate patients in need of finding a collective to join.

    If you do not care about medical marijuana, you should care about the fact that our United States Constitution is being destroyed and disrespected as we speak. Is this a country by the people, for the people? It is a violation of the due process granted by the California State Constitution to prosecute in one County which is zoned, regulated, taxed, and accepted as law in the rest of counties.

    51 cities have successfully set up zoning guidelines. Many are taking in tax money. If you do not care about medical marijuana, you should care about the fact that San Diego County has spent millions of your TAXPAYER dollars on this issue, and that is why your libraries are closed, and your teachers being layed off.

    Further, the question in my mind is this? On a social level, be aware that your government is no longer respecting the will of the people, and is putting out propaganda and lies, and paying “ordinary citizens” to appear in public to spread such lies. OR Am I a “Dangerous drug felon preying on military housing sites across the county”? Please google, “Drug sting no military ties.” I also have a
    facebook page dealing with these issues.
    It is time for the medical community and the community at large to stand up and address the issues of freedom, democracy, and our legal rights. Step 1 is to recognize and put aside the propaganda and lies that are designed to seperate us and then dismiss those who have been wrongly imprisoned.

    Sincerely, Donna Lambert

  42. Vinny Paesano permalink
    September 25, 2009 - 9:32 am 9:32 am

    Here’s one of the letters that a PB resident submitted in order to implore the city to do something about the dispensaries. If you don’t want to be laughed at when you write public letters and post on sites like this one, you should know a little grammar. Please don’t get angry at me for how horribly this guy wrote this letter to the city:

    From: R
    To:
    Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:40:19 PM
    Subject: Fw: Smoke shops and there negative effect on PB

    From: R
    To:
    Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:36:33 AM
    Subject: Smoke shops and there negative effect on PB

    I am sure most of the recipients of this e-mail, have seen this but I am forwarding for your further review, Pacific Beach needs to be cleansed of smoke shops and of businesses that have negative effects on the community. The continued proliferation of these establishments is detrimental to the community and to San Diego as a whole, as these establishments have an adverse effect on our tourist market, these type of establishments or noted as being detrimental to the community as addressed in the Cities Community plan dated 1994, yet these establishment continue to flourish, further more the proximity of residents and schools in relationship to the location of these establishments must be considered.

    California Code pertaining to Drug Paraphernalia

    a) “Drug paraphernalia” means all equipment, products and materials of any kind which are MESSAGE TRUNCATED

  43. fuckthepolice permalink
    November 5, 2009 - 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

    FUCK THE POLICE ! IM SO STONED AND BAKED ! 420!

    • PalomaLuv permalink
      November 12, 2009 - 11:36 am 11:36 am

      You must BE the police……… to leave such a careless and inane comment

  44. Arnold Alexander permalink
    December 7, 2009 - 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

    Amen Donna Lambert! I am a San Diego resident first of all. Secondly, I do not use cannabis nor do I discriminate against use of it. Let’s face most drugs have adverse effects, sometimes death and even an antibiotic weakens your immune system and inhibits beneficial bacteria. As Donna points out it affects many other things in our city, communites, states, governments. We musn’t be so narrow-minded and short-sighted. Do I want five medical marijuana dispensaries on a block? No. Nor do I want five CVS on a block. We shouldn’t even compare the two. CVS sells drugs which are gegulated by many government offices for financial reasons and are allowed to create and sell practically anything they want, as long as there is a disclaimer on the commerical. Marijuana is being distributed now based on some propositions that shouldn’t have been passed because there are things such as cultivation, possesion of seeds etc. not included. There probably is no such thing as legal medical marijuana. Perhaps this was intentional? The majority of the people voted and asked for it to be passed. Possibly the marinol Tony speaks of but I’m sure there is fraud within the acquisition and distribution of that as well. Another reason the two should not be compared is regarding finances. The government has argued that no “collective/dispensary” shall make a profit. They have never told Pfizer, Merck, Johnson & Johnson, the list goes on and on, that there is a cap on profit or any profit at all. Actually, these companies are some of the richest in existence. Let’s have intelligent conversations on topics and resolve issues based on “We The People” It’s our right as Americans.

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